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    Vintage Industrial Machine?

    My DH and I are sewing backpacking gear with my 15-91 and 328, but neither quite has the power we need. The 15-91 will go through 3 layers of thick webbing, but not 4. I would like to buy a vintage machine with a bit more industrial power, but do not know what models to look for. I need a true industrial machine, not one advertised as industrial just because it weighs a lot, if you know what I mean.
    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
    Linda
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    You could try a 29 series "patcher" they will do it NO problem. (This one is my 29-4)

    they have two belt positions, one for speed, one for umph

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    What size needle are you using on the 15?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    What size needle are you using on the 15?
    I am using #69 bonded nylon thread. I have tried a top stitch 100, a quilting 90; had best luck with a universal 90. What size should I be using?
    Linda
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveH View Post
    You could try a 29 series "patcher" they will do it NO problem. (This one is my 29-4)

    they have two belt positions, one for speed, one for umph

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    Looks like it would do the job. Thanks for the info.
    Linda
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    Linda,

    A 90/14 needle is too small for 69 bonded thread. Try a 100/16 or 110/18 needles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovelyl View Post
    I am using #69 bonded nylon thread. I have tried a top stitch 100, a quilting 90; had best luck with a universal 90. What size should I be using?
    Cathy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Linda,

    A 90/14 needle is too small for 69 bonded thread. Try a 100/16 or 110/18 needles.

    Cathy
    I tried the 100/16 topstitch because that was recommended by the thread manufacturer, but no luck with it. Maybe if I try a 100/16 ball point... Read that in a mag article.
    Linda
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovelyl View Post
    I am using #69 bonded nylon thread. I have tried a top stitch 100, a quilting 90; had best luck with a universal 90. What size should I be using?
    I would try a size 18 needle - it is the biggest needle that machine will hold with out reaming out the needle hole. If you do that it could break - it is kind of close to the teeth slots. That size thread is pushing it but should work ok with the big needle. The reason you need that size needle is because the thread is thicker and could rub between the needle and the hole then cause some shredding. Four layers isn't all that much. I use an industrial walking foot machine with a 20 or 22 needle. It goes through many layers. If you use the heavy thread you will need to adjust your tensions, too. You might want to buy a bobbin case and only use it for the heavy thread once you get it adjusted. Some of the clones have a heavier motor. The shafts on the industrial machines are a little bigger around - other than that they have a more powerful motor. Some of the clones seem to accept a thicker wad of fabric than others. Some will go through heavier stuff than others. If you are doing production work you might want to find an old walking foot machine - I'm thinking the one I had was a 411 but I forget - I'm thinking $400 - $800 is a good deal - I betcha I paid 2 or 3 times that... the prices have gone down on those. You either need one that has been serviced or you will need to learn to service. It is a good idea to learn - there is always something with those - I learned a LOT. As far as a harness machine goes - it would work but not necessary. Some of the other industrial machines are set up for speed not for pulling heavy stuff through. You can do it but it would need to be set up and I wouldn't do huge projects. I bent the needle bar on a high speed Pfaff - 50 ft of canvas is really heavy when you have 5 panels.
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    Back to the needle. The needle has a groove on one side. The thread has to fit in the groove as the needle goes through the hole. I'll say it again - If the thread doesn't fit the groove it will shred as it rides past the hole. There are also different points on the needles. I'm not sure what you need. You may need to research the different points. When you find something that works buy 100 or so at a time.
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    I'm also not all that sure how strong those potted motors are compared to some of the larger external motors. I'm afraid I'm out of my element on that. I do know I've seen some that were more powerful than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I'm also not all that sure how strong those potted motors are compared to some of the larger external motors. I'm afraid I'm out of my element on that. I do know I've seen some that were more powerful than others.
    Miriam,
    Thanks for the info. I will try a size 18 needle with different points and see what happens.
    Linda
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    What you are looking for in a needle is an eye large enough for the thread to go through easily and a long groove wide and deep enough for the thread to completely lay in. The 16 has the larger eye, but the groove may not be large enough for the 69 thread. The 16 ball point probably won't be any different than the a regular 16 since it doesn't have the larger eye nor larger groove. Try a size 18 needle. Hopefully clearer than mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovelyl View Post
    I tried the 100/16 topstitch because that was recommended by the thread manufacturer, but no luck with it. Maybe if I try a 100/16 ball point... Read that in a mag article.
    Cathy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    What you are looking for in a needle is an eye large enough for the thread to go through easily and a long groove wide and deep enough for the thread to completely lay in. The 16 has the larger eye, but the groove may not be large enough for the 69 thread. The 16 ball point probably won't be any different than the a regular 16 since it doesn't have the larger eye nor larger groove. Try a size 18 needle. Hopefully clearer than mud.

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    I think that's what I was trying to say.
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    Miriam,

    I understood you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I think that's what I was trying to say.
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    I've used 92 nylon thread in an 18 needle on a 15-91 making a boat cover. The edge reinforced for snaps was rolled canvas over a polyester webbing. So we are talking three layers of canvas and a webbing penetration. The 15-91 didn't even work hard. It makes a better stitch than my Reliable Barracuda which is a copy of the Sailrite LZ1. I wish I'd tried the 15 before purchasing the Barracuda. Don't give up on the 15. The right combo of thread/needle/tension should easily penetrate 4 layers of Sunbrella, etc. I use the Barracuda only when I feel I'm abusing a machine in a process. I don't abuse my beautiful Singers😁
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    A 15 should go through Sunbrella just fine. I had a clone that would hem jeans. Sold it. Poor guy was 5 ft tall and round and just needed something he could hem jeans. I had to teach him to sew, too.
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    we have a 1958 singer commercial machine that sews through vinyl, leather etc. come to Al and buy it from me. We used it for what we wanted, and now it collects dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychonurse View Post
    we have a 1958 singer commercial machine that sews through vinyl, leather etc. come to Al and buy it from me. We used it for what we wanted, and now it collects dust.
    We're scheduling a road trip. What Singer model?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vridar View Post
    We're scheduling a road trip. What Singer model?
    I found it - Singer 241.
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    My husband uses a Singer 111w-155 and / or a Consew 226 for his upholstery work and they are indeed workhorses. The Singer he got when his father passed away and his father used it daily for 20 years or more.
    Sew, sew, it's the threads that keep love together :>} I love sunbonnet sue,old-fashioned things like 1950's or older housewife things, and like hankies,tea towels and aprons . Thanks to some lovely members on here I now have lots of aprons in my collection !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sewred View Post
    My husband uses a Singer 111w-155 and / or a Consew 226 for his upholstery work and they are indeed workhorses. The Singer he got when his father passed away and his father used it daily for 20 years or more.
    I doubt if you can kill either one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vridar View Post
    I've used 92 nylon thread in an 18 needle on a 15-91 making a boat cover. The edge reinforced for snaps was rolled canvas over a polyester webbing. So we are talking three layers of canvas and a webbing penetration. The 15-91 didn't even work hard. It makes a better stitch than my Reliable Barracuda which is a copy of the Sailrite LZ1. I wish I'd tried the 15 before purchasing the Barracuda. Don't give up on the 15. The right combo of thread/needle/tension should easily penetrate 4 layers of Sunbrella, etc. I use the Barracuda only when I feel I'm abusing a machine in a process. I don't abuse my beautiful Singers
    Abuse of my wonderful 15-91 is what I have been worried about! Good to know it can be done if I can just get my act together with the right needle!
    Linda
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