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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Cathy or any of you other knowledgeable people, Kathie S called me last night asking about a Brother her daughter picked up at a Thrift store for $15. She took the machine to a repair shop because it doesn't work just to see what is wrong with it. They said it needed to be timed, and need a bobbin case. She didn't leave the machine because she couldn't afford what they were asking to fix this $15 machine. My question - I don't have any Brothers - but, I'd bet a common 15's bobbin case would work on the Brother? Is it common for their timing to be messed up? My only experience with a Brother was 40 years ago - not a good experience - so I avoid those machines. I haven't seen the machine, nor do I know how old it is. I guess what I am asking is do these machines use a common bobbin case, and are they known for having timing issues? The one I had ages ago drove me nuts because I could never get the tension right!

    Nancy
    Nancy, I've had to buy a couple replacement bobbin cases for Class 15 machines and I get them from Sew Classic. http://shop.SEW-CLASSIC.COM/Bobbin-Cases-Parts_c23.htm

    Look at the machine bobbin area and see which way the finger goes and match it to the website pics. Easy, peasy:>

    I've received two class 15 machines out of time, so yes it does happen. I wouldn't say they are prone to timing issues, but if you've been loved and used for many years your bound to have a grandson play with you and mess up your timing. (you know?;>) hehehe. She can get the bobbin case and then you can attempt the retiming on it? She won't be out much for sure. Though, my local repair store charges $75. Tension and timing issues are different beasts. I don't have a vintage Brother, but I've heard they are nice machines! And of course they tend to appear in all those drool worthy colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    I looked up the machine Kathie's daughter bought. She said it was an XV 808. I found a VX 808 by googling, which looked like a simple machine to operate. Just from the photos on the net, it looked like a simple Class 15 bobbin case.

    Thank you Trish. I think Kathie is going to pay her daughter for the machine so maybe I will get a chance to see it in person, but I am not fond of Brother's - just an old prejudice I have that I probably need to get over!

    Nancy
    Nancy, I looked it up too and it does look like a 15 case to me. How would you know the machine is out of time if you don't have the bobbin in and try to sew with the machine? Can you tell just by turning the hand wheel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossstitcher View Post
    Nancy, I looked it up too and it does look like a 15 case to me. How would you know the machine is out of time if you don't have the bobbin in and try to sew with the machine? Can you tell just by turning the hand wheel?
    You can tell it's out of time if the needle is hitting the hook area or if the feed dogs won't play nicely. You don't necessarily need the bobbin case in for that.

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    Ok Candace just got me in trouble - again!

    I just picked up this 306w! I don't want the cabinet - we will probably make a dump haul with it! The machine looks to be a very good shape, but it is missing its bobbin case! What is it with these bobbin cases? I only gave $25 for the machine without the bobbin case! I know the 206, 306, 319 all take a special 'L' bobbin, special 206x13 needles - so I assume the bobbin case will be hard to find! I was not willing to pay more than $25 without the case! The cabinet was full of stuff! A buttonholer, 9 feet, a couple slide plates, and 7 fashion disks so the machine was worth the price. Besides, I have a bobbin case for my 319w, so I can use either machine - the problem is a friend wants this 306w to put in a treadle so I will need to find a bobbin case! http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/3030319283.html

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    Nancy, check with Cathy. She may have an extra. Congrats!! Don't chuck the cabinet! I know plenty of people that would want it on Freecycle or even for a few $ on Craigslist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    Nancy, check with Cathy. She may have an extra. Congrats!! Don't chuck the cabinet! I know plenty of people that would want it on Freecycle or even for a few $ on Craigslist.
    I have given a bunch of those cabinets away by listing them as desks for kids on freecycle. They don"t look sewing machine-ey, and are a perfect size for a kid desk. Nice looking machine! I have yet to get involved with any of the 306/206/319, but it is only a matter of time....Laura

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    Just bought some class 15 bobbins for my FW and my 301a machines. I was wondering if they fit other Singers? They are the ones from Jenny at Sew-Classics with the extra little hole near the center. Thank you.

    Sure have been seeing high prices on vintage machines. Today I saw a Bernina Record 830 for either $400 or $600. It has the original case, accessories and manual but I don't think anyone would buy at that price. I have mine which I bought new in the 70s but would never give it up. I have always loved it and now it is loved right along with my other vintage machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SewExtremeSeams View Post
    Just bought some class 15 bobbins for my FW and my 301a machines. I was wondering if they fit other Singers? They are the ones from Jenny at Sew-Classics with the extra little hole near the center. Thank you.

    Sure have been seeing high prices on vintage machines. Today I saw a Bernina Record 830 for either $400 or $600. It has the original case, accessories and manual but I don't think anyone would buy at that price. I have mine which I bought new in the 70s but would never give it up. I have always loved it and now it is loved right along with my other vintage machines.
    Linda, I hope you didn't really buy class 15 bobbins for your FW and 301? Class 15 bobbins fit the class 15 machines, the 15 clones, and a few other machines. They won't work in a FW nor a 301. The FW and the 301 use a special bobbin made just for those machines!

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    306W bobbin case....... I seem to recall there being two cases .. the 319 is I recall almost all got the "open" style and the 306 a closed style ( later ones maybe getting the open?) in any case the one that came with my 306 is a closed one ( full cup with just a cutout for the needle) and I have never dealt with any of the others. mine works ...... if you want pictures I can try to help, but will not be back to my machinefor a couple weeks. Have you seen my video of the 306 in a treadle stand? it works rather well.

    Dan

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    thats a black 306 in an old ( not fully adjusted and clunky) 27 treadle... the treadle is made in 1900 112 years old... the machine is mid 50's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    Nancy, check with Cathy. She may have an extra. Congrats!! Don't chuck the cabinet! I know plenty of people that would want it on Freecycle or even for a few $ on Craigslist.
    Candace and Laura, I wouldn't even try to sell the cabinet, in fact I'd feel bad even giving it away. It looks ok in the photo on Craigslist, but in person it is in terrible shape. The veneer can be just lifted off, the seat is minus all vinyl, the feet are all split and coming apart. The drawers are in ok shape, we thought about just dropping it off at our local Hospice on the way home with the machine, but felt it was in too bad a shape to even do that! No, that cabinet along with a Spartan cabinet (I think) are going to the dump! I am not going to even try to re-do them!

    I thought about Cathy maybe having the bobbin case. I am a little worried about the machine. I have been trying to wipe all the oil that the manual soaked up and cleaning the machine so I haven't had a chance to see it it will sew. Then we had company! Anyway, there were regular 15x1 needles in the cabinet drawers, which worried me - then I found a receipt for $42 from 1976 for re-timing the machine. I took out the needle and sure enough it was a 15x1 - not a 206x13 - which means the machine was re-timed or someone who didn't know what they were doing tried using that needle! Now, I have a few minutes I will finish cleaning the lint, etc., out then see if the machine will sew with my 319w bobbin case! Keep your fingers and toes crossed for me!

    Nancy

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    If it sews and has tension issues' like needing a TON of upper tension it is probable that the needle bar and timing were 'adjusted" for the 15 series needles. Get you some correct needles and i will try to find my service mans manual. I reset everything on mine, not difficult, slightly confusingand time consuming, but not difficult... and I can try to help you out when I get back. Mine is working on all of the fancy stitches I have and I think I got it all right ;-)

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    Greywuuf, Dan, did you just post something about your 306 being in a teadle? I know I saw it because I went and looked at your u-tube of you treadling the 306! I like your black machine better than the mocha 306 I just bought. Do you have any trouble with the decorative stitches when you treadle? I did when I first started treadling my 319W!

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    To all of you who answered my questions on Kathie's Brother, I haven't seen the machine, but I figured it took normal class 15 bobbins and a class 15 case. I don't plan on timing it, but I guess I wouldn't be too afraid to try.

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by greywuuf View Post
    306W bobbin case....... I seem to recall there being two cases .. the 319 is I recall almost all got the "open" style and the 306 a closed style ( later ones maybe getting the open?) in any case the one that came with my 306 is a closed one ( full cup with just a cutout for the needle) and I have never dealt with any of the others. mine works ...... if you want pictures I can try to help, but will not be back to my machinefor a couple weeks. Have you seen my video of the 306 in a treadle stand? it works rather well.

    Dan

    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...o-t185409.html
    thats a black 306 in an old ( not fully adjusted and clunky) 27 treadle... the treadle is made in 1900 112 years old... the machine is mid 50's
    Ok Dan I am confused? I know there is an open and a closed bobbin case, but I thought they were interchangeable for the 306/319's?

    Nancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Candace and Laura, I wouldn't even try to sell the cabinet, in fact I'd feel bad even giving it away. It looks ok in the photo on Craigslist, but in person it is in terrible shape. The veneer can be just lifted off, the seat is minus all vinyl, the feet are all split and coming apart. The drawers are in ok shape, we thought about just dropping it off at our local Hospice on the way home with the machine, but felt it was in too bad a shape to even do that! No, that cabinet along with a Spartan cabinet (I think) are going to the dump! I am not going to even try to re-do them!

    I thought about Cathy maybe having the bobbin case. I am a little worried about the machine. I have been trying to wipe all the oil that the manual soaked up and cleaning the machine so I haven't had a chance to see it it will sew. Then we had company! Anyway, there were regular 15x1 needles in the cabinet drawers, which worried me - then I found a receipt for $42 from 1976 for re-timing the machine. I took out the needle and sure enough it was a 15x1 - not a 206x13 - which means the machine was re-timed or someone who didn't know what they were doing tried using that needle! Now, I have a few minutes I will finish cleaning the lint, etc., out then see if the machine will sew with my 319w bobbin case! Keep your fingers and toes crossed for me!

    Nancy
    You remember the seat I redid right? It was vinyl and terrible:< Now it's cute. How about this? Put them on the curb and put an ad on CL saying they're in bad condition, but free. You won't have to deal with meeting people etc. and I would bet you someone claims them to refinish. And you won't have to pay to dump them. What do you guys pay up there? I think our fee is $7 or so....

    I hope it wasn't retimed for the 15x1 needles..yikes. But, if all the discs etc. are with it, it was worth the $ and the trip. If Cathy doesn't have an extra you can check Sew Classic. I know they're available on ebay for $15 or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Miriam, is your 201 a true blackside or is it just gunked up? I can't tell by the photo? You have some work ahead of you on that 201. Mine is half way unfrozen now! The rotary hook turns almost all the way, but still sticks at one point - much better than it did a couple days ago when it was frozen solid! Remember that Japanese 15 I had that was frozen solid? It took a week of oiling, sitting in the sun, trying to crank the hand wheel a tiny fraction every once in a while, - it finally freed up and sews perfectly now! I am hoping this 201 does the same thing. I took the feed dogs off, removed the position finger guide, there is no lint - nothing I can see to cause the tie up! I will just keep trying to free him up. I don't think he got a drop of oil nor lubricant in 60 years!

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    This one is in excellent condition except for where the wires melted and drooled down onto the front some how. It is a true black side. I think it turns just fine. It is going to be mainly cosmetics on that one.

    There is a Singer 15-90 with a super bad case of RUST everywhere. It would have to be redone just for the love of it - much rust on the 15-90 - it too, is a blackside.

    Both machines were in really fine cabinets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Ok Candace just got me in trouble - again!

    I just picked up this 306w! I don't want the cabinet - we will probably make a dump haul with it! The machine looks to be a very good shape, but it is missing its bobbin case! What is it with these bobbin cases? I only gave $25 for the machine without the bobbin case! I know the 206, 306, 319 all take a special 'L' bobbin, special 206x13 needles - so I assume the bobbin case will be hard to find! I was not willing to pay more than $25 without the case! The cabinet was full of stuff! A buttonholer, 9 feet, a couple slide plates, and 7 fashion disks so the machine was worth the price. Besides, I have a bobbin case for my 319w, so I can use either machine - the problem is a friend wants this 306w to put in a treadle so I will need to find a bobbin case! http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/3030319283.html

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    I believe I found one at sew-classic - maybe Cathy has one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Ok Dan I am confused? I know there is an open and a closed bobbin case, but I thought they were interchangeable for the 306/319's?

    Nancy
    When I got my 319 I had to order the bobbin case, but wasn't sure which one, open or closed, so I ordered both. I am thinking hard about which one it is, because I tried the one that worked in the 306 and it didn't, but it had other issues too. The one on my 319 has a slot cut for a notch, like a keyway type slot, and a little thing sticking out in the the race where the other one wouldn't work. I think there was a more expensive one and a less expensive one, and the more expensive one was the right one. #173058 was the order number, but seems like there was something about the k or w or some such thing. I am trying to research it, but my computer is having a sh*t fit today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candace View Post
    You remember the seat I redid right? It was vinyl and terrible:< Now it's cute. How about this? Put them on the curb and put an ad on CL saying they're in bad condition, but free. You won't have to deal with meeting people etc. and I would bet you someone claims them to refinish. And you won't have to pay to dump them. What do you guys pay up there? I think our fee is $7 or so....

    I hope it wasn't retimed for the 15x1 needles..yikes. But, if all the discs etc. are with it, it was worth the $ and the trip. If Cathy doesn't have an extra you can check Sew Classic. I know they're available on ebay for $15 or so.
    Yes, Candace I remember the seat you re-did - it is very cute now! I may keep the seat and re-do it, but not the cabinet. We can't put things out on a curb, we don't have a curb. I live on a small horse ranch with a gravel road about 1/2 mile long to get to the automatic gate to where our driveway starts! We have to make a dump haul anyway about once a year just to clean up!

    Ok, Melinda, Dan, and Candace, I tried the bobbin case for the 319w in the 306w - no go! Geeze, why would Singer do that? They both take the weird little 206x13 needles, and the weird 'L' bobbins - so why aren't the bobbin cases interchangeable? I am going to visit Sew Classic and see if I can tell the difference!

    Nancy

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    remember you might have a needle bar/timing issue as well. depends on how it is a no go.... just wont fit or the needle hitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Yes, Candace I remember the seat you re-did - it is very cute now! I may keep the seat and re-do it, but not the cabinet. We can't put things out on a curb, we don't have a curb. I live on a small horse ranch with a gravel road about 1/2 mile long to get to the automatic gate to where our driveway starts! We have to make a dump haul anyway about once a year just to clean up!

    Ok, Melinda, Dan, and Candace, I tried the bobbin case for the 319w in the 306w - no go! Geeze, why would Singer do that? They both take the weird little 206x13 needles, and the weird 'L' bobbins - so why aren't the bobbin cases interchangeable? I am going to visit Sew Classic and see if I can tell the difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greywuuf View Post
    remember you might have a needle bar/timing issue as well. depends on how it is a no go.... just wont fit or the needle hitting.
    No, I put the correct needles in - no hitting - clears perfectly. But, without a bobbin case I won't know if the machine sews or not! I just checked Sew Classic - it appears the 306w has to have the open bobbin case!

    Cathy, do you have one I could buy? I don't trust trying to buy one from anyone else in case it is advertised wrong! Looking at Sew Classic - it appears the 306w uses the open bobbin cases and the 306k the closed bobbin cases? Makes no sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    strip off all the hardware before you haul it to the dump.
    Yes, Miriam, we will strip it first.

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    you may still have a problem, putting in the correct needle will not retime it and correct the needle bar height if it was previously "adjusted"

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    Quote Originally Posted by greywuuf View Post
    you may still have a problem, putting in the correct needle will not retime it and correct the needle bar height if it was previously "adjusted"
    Yes, I know Dan, but until I can try to sew with the machine how would I know? The machine seems to run fine with no thread. I will just have to wait until I get the correct bobbin case and see what happens. I am concerned, though, like I said there is a receipt from a Singer repair shop for "re-timing" the machine in 1976. There were lots of packages of needles with the machine - none of them the right ones for this machine. If it has been re-timed to use 15x1's wouldn't that be ok?

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