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    I have 2 vintage machines, one I am looking for a manual for, also a service manual if possible.
    Its a Wilson Rotary number on the plate is 107x1303 I can not for the life of me find anything about them. I was told it was a White badge for a store. :P But don't know if its true.

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    And hello everyone, I just signed up yesterday and have been reading through this thread.

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    i PURCHASED A 247 singer today for twenty bucks, with no attachments. as I have several other machines .will other attachments and feet fit this one,??Ihave a couple 99's 2 FW. a 201 , and a white rotary plus a 185 and a 175 white to name a few.Name:  004.JPG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammy Jeann View Post
    I have 2 vintage machines, one I am looking for a manual for, also a service manual if possible.
    Its a Wilson Rotary number on the plate is 107x1303 I can not for the life of me find anything about them. I was told it was a White badge for a store. :P But don't know if its true.

    And hello everyone, I just signed up yesterday and have been reading through this thread.
    Hello Tammy and welcome. I had a Domestic Rotary machine just like this. It would be easier to find the manual for one of them or a White Rotary. They should be interchangeable. And yes, it probably is a badged machine. White made a lot of machines and badged them. This is my Domestic Rotary as it looked when I brought it home, so please excuse the dust.
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    The footplate and the bobbin winder is the White design.
    I hope this helps.
    ~G~

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    Hello everyone. I have met a very nice guy in my area who wants to re-home a Singer 237, a Viking 21, a White with nice decals - electric, with a case - early treadle type, and in Iowa he has an Elna Supermatic, price is really cheap! PM me if you are interested and I will give you the information. I just bought my second Pfaff 360 from him!

    Nancy

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    Thanks Grant, it helped alot
    Found the manual for the Domestic and it just about matches mine.. only difference was the reverse and forward mechanism. So I downloaded it and will see what else I can find.. As far as dating it, I don't know how with the numbers I have.. But will continue digging around..


    BTW, the pic posted is the before pic and I have a few more so no worries about the dust.. The cabinet came with it, we found them both hiding in a back storage area of our local junk shop. It had been sitting back there about 3 years. We got it for $10.00. And all the veneer on it was peeling off and had a mess load of damage to it, so my b/f took to his shop and has got it nearly all sanded off. I wanted to keep as much of it on there as I could but he just went to town on it.. Will post some pics of it when it is done.


    Quote Originally Posted by grant15clone View Post
    Hello Tammy and welcome. I had a Domestic Rotary machine just like this. It would be easier to find the manual for one of them or a White Rotary. They should be interchangeable. And yes, it probably is a badged machine. White made a lot of machines and badged them. This is my Domestic Rotary as it looked when I brought it home, so please excuse the dust.


    The footplate and the bobbin winder is the White design.
    I hope this helps.
    ~G~

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    This machine takes low shank feet. The ones you mentioned will fit it, but they are all for straight stitching and this is a zigzag, so the feeddogs may not line up well.

    Also sorry to say that this machine is famous for a cracked gear on the top of the vertical shaft on the right side.
    The gear is set into a 'well' that makes it almost impossible to get a replacement gear into place
    without removing the main shaft. Nice machine when it is working, but this gear will go out sooner or later.

    Cathy


    Quote Originally Posted by CMARAS1234 View Post
    i PURCHASED A 247 singer today for twenty bucks, with no attachments. as I have several other machines .will other attachments and feet fit this one,??Ihave a couple 99's 2 FW. a 201 , and a white rotary plus a 185 and a 175 white to name a few.
    Cathy

    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    Tammy,

    I think you'll find that the bobbin case is the same as for the White '77'. It's different than the ones for the White FR.
    Absolutely great machines!!

    Cathy


    [QUOTE=Tammy Jeann;5769561]Thanks Grant, it helped alot
    Found the manual for the Domestic and it just about matches mine.. only difference was the reverse and forward mechanism. So I downloaded it and will see what else I can find.. As far as dating it, I don't know how with the numbers I have.. But will continue digging around..
    Cathy

    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    [QUOTE=Mizkaki;5769616]Tammy,

    I think you'll find that the bobbin case is the same as for the White '77'. It's different than the ones for the White FR.
    Absolutely great machines!!




    Cathy


    Quote Originally Posted by Tammy Jeann View Post
    Thanks Grant, it helped alot
    Found the manual for the Domestic and it just about matches mine.. only difference was the reverse and forward mechanism. So I downloaded it and will see what else I can find.. As far as dating it, I don't know how with the numbers I have.. But will continue digging around..
    I don't know why the white rotaries haven't caught on- they are such workhorses. Maybe it's the krinkly brown finish? My first treadle was a White- my Great grandma's. It's currently living at mom's house. I have had a few 77s that I have given away and they are such nice, unfussy machines. Miz Kakie- is it the rotary mechanism that makes them so un-fussy? They seem to sew through anything. Laura

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    Oh, I had a good weekend. I re-homed two machines this weekend to some great people that were just so nice. The Dressmaker is gone as is the machine that I was holding for my honey. I think that they both went to the right homes. I get great satisfaction with that. But I digress. Because I freed up some space and the cabinet looked so nice, my honey (of all people) told me to grab this one today off of CL. That free space in the living room sure didn't last long. I'm not so sure about the machine but the cabinet is so nice. I want to put my Blue Morse 15 clone in it and learn how to treadle with it. This is my first treadle. That sounds like fun to me to be honest. I'm worried about the handwheel size with it though. Is it going to be too fast and "jittery" with that size handwheel? This is the cabinet and the sad 66 taken from the ad.

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    This is my Morse clone that I would like to put in it in place of the sad 66.

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    Will this work? I don't want it to be too fast and I don't want to change out the handwheel either. Has anyone done this before? I could just keep the Morse electric and use the antique Singer cabinet to house it but I want it to do both as an option for each. Any and all input is welcome and you won't hurt my feelings. I want to learn here.
    ~G~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammy Jeann View Post
    Thanks Grant, it helped alot
    Found the manual for the Domestic and it just about matches mine.. only difference was the reverse and forward mechanism. So I downloaded it and will see what else I can find.. As far as dating it, I don't know how with the numbers I have.. But will continue digging around..


    BTW, the pic posted is the before pic and I have a few more so no worries about the dust.. The cabinet came with it, we found them both hiding in a back storage area of our local junk shop. It had been sitting back there about 3 years. We got it for $10.00. And all the veneer on it was peeling off and had a mess load of damage to it, so my b/f took to his shop and has got it nearly all sanded off. I wanted to keep as much of it on there as I could but he just went to town on it.. Will post some pics of it when it is done.
    Well Tammy Jeann, how can you go wrong for $10? That machine is a great machine and is one that is worthy of every positive thing said about it. Unfortunately mine was in the brown crinkle paint that was not so desirable. I had a friend that needed a workhorse to sew interiors and I gave him the one I posted. It was the right machine for the tough job at hand in my humble opinion. They might not be the prettiest one out there but they sure are well behaved and lay down a nice stitch when given the opportunity. He was impressed with it when it got down to business too. He actually sewed an interior of a sidecar of an old WW2 motorcycle with it. How cool is that? If I remember correctly, don't quote me, but I think that one was from the 20's. I am probably wrong on that though.
    ~G~

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    It may not be the purdiest machine around.. But I can not wait for it to be finished up and running.
    I have a couple of jean quilts to make.. ;-)

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    Before we started to clean and work on her.

    We have replace the tension knob, and she has been cleaned up a bit, just need to take a good picture of her now. Everything seems to be moving around like it should, all free of dirt and grime. Waiting on the cabinet to be done, a service manual to show up, so we can get the re wiring done and check everything over really good.. oh and some needles for it also.. Do you folks remember what size needle I need?

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    Grant,

    The size of the handwheel does not affect the speed of your sewing, but the diameter of the wheel at the belt groove does. A normal solid handwheel will work with treadling. The larger outside diameter of the spoked handwheel only helps to keep things running smoothly due the the larger centrifical force of the higher weight/ mass. (Hope that is clearer than mud.)

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    Miz Kakie- is it the rotary mechanism that makes them so un-fussy? They seem to sew through anything. Laura[/QUOTE]

    Laura,

    I think so. The rotary action definitely makes it smooth.

    Cathy
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    I have messed with a couple White machines lately - very nice - even the newer ones. I think I have two of those older rotary ones somewhere in the shop - haven't messed with them yet.

    How closely are the 1980s plastic White machines related to Janome? I noticed that the White and the New Home (with Janome label) thread the same. I can't look at them any more - sold them.

    The other machine I'm impressed with has been some of the Montgomery Ward. That WM 15 clone was the best one I've seen made by Happy - that presser foot lifted higher than any I have seen. Amongst the really dirty hoarder machines, I had an old white, chrome and ORANGE 1970s - it cleaned up pretty nice though - it had a nice variety of stitch features and a good amount of attachments and the manual - worked beautifully - sold it. Right now I have a later all metal one probably late 60s early 70s that does straight & zz - center needle. Very nice machine - made by Happy - says so on the bottom.
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    MW zzer made by Happy:
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    Never let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    I found a pre-cleanup pic of the MW with the variety of stitches controlled by a lever on the very top - good machine once it was clean - I would buy another one at the right price:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizkaki View Post
    Grant,

    The size of the handwheel does not affect the speed of your sewing, but the diameter of the wheel at the belt groove does. A normal solid handwheel will work with treadling. The larger outside diameter of the spoked handwheel only helps to keep things running smoothly due the the larger centrifical force of the higher weight/ mass. (Hope that is clearer than mud.)

    Cathy
    Thank you Cathy. I was worried about the spinning mass and if that affected how it ran without the flywheel mass. The belt grove seems to be about the same size as the original wheel. Good info.
    ~G~

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    MW zzer made by Happy:
    It looks like a 60's Kenmore. Even the stitch length control looks like a Kenmore.
    ~G~

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    Basically the larger hand wheel acts much like the fly wheel on a car, evening out the power strokes when you treadle. It's also easier to grab to start and stop the machine as you use it.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I found a pre-cleanup pic of the MW with the variety of stitches controlled by a lever on the very top - good machine once it was clean - I would buy another one at the right price:
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    Miriam,

    That almost looks like a 3/4 size machine on my monitor. Am I seeing right?

    Joe

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    Joe it was a full size machine - not specially large though - seemed like a good one though.
    Never let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grant15clone View Post
    Oh, I had a good weekend. I re-homed two machines this weekend to some great people that were just so nice. The Dressmaker is gone as is the machine that I was holding for my honey. I think that they both went to the right homes. I get great satisfaction with that. But I digress. Because I freed up some space and the cabinet looked so nice, my honey (of all people) told me to grab this one today off of CL. That free space in the living room sure didn't last long. I'm not so sure about the machine but the cabinet is so nice. I want to put my Blue Morse 15 clone in it and learn how to treadle with it. This is my first treadle. That sounds like fun to me to be honest. I'm worried about the handwheel size with it though. Is it going to be too fast and "jittery" with that size handwheel? This is the cabinet and the sad 66 taken from the ad.

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    This is my Morse clone that I would like to put in it in place of the sad 66.

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    Will this work? I don't want it to be too fast and I don't want to change out the handwheel either. Has anyone done this before? I could just keep the Morse electric and use the antique Singer cabinet to house it but I want it to do both as an option for each. Any and all input is welcome and you won't hurt my feelings. I want to learn here.

    ~G~
    Grant I understand you wanting to treadle the Morse, but what is wrong with the Redeye? I see it is missing the slide plate, but those are easy to find? A lot of people on here sew with their 66's. I have several 66's and they sew great. As far as putting the Morse in the treadle cabinet - I have never tried to put a Japanese clone in a Singer cabinet. I have no idea if the hinges will line up. If I remember right, I think someone on here said they would?

    I have a Singer 319w in a Singer treadle cabinet. I have tried the 319 in two different Singer cabinets. The 319w will slide on the hinge dowels perfectly, sit perfectly in the cabinet, and treadle great, - but I can't put the machine away. It won't lower. It is not because of the spool pins either, it is the size of the head. The 319 has a much thicker head than the older 27/127's, 15's, or 66 heads. On one cabinet the drop down middle drawer was in the way of putting the head down and away, in a second cabinet the block that holds up the cabinet openings hit the machine and wouldn't close. The 15 clones may work. I am interested in seeing what you have to say after you try putting that machine in the cabinet - whether it lines up right with the hinges and whether it can be lowered and closed up.

    Nancy

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    Ok I have never had a machine dropped on my porch like Steve just had, but I got a call from a guy who was given my name by someone I must of met at a sewing social. He wants me to take his wife's grandmother's Jone's treadle that has been in their family from the beginning. He says it is in pristine shape. He called me before Christmas. I am going to see the treadle today. I know I will probably bring it home! Is there no hope for us! I hope it is the one with the yellow rose, but I'd bed it is the same as my Jones HC because he said it says Jones CS! I will post photos later - if I get the machine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Grant I understand you wanting to treadle the Morse, but what is wrong with the Redeye? I see it is missing the slide plate, but those are easy to find? A lot of people on here sew with their 66's. I have several 66's and they sew great. As far as putting the Morse in the treadle cabinet - I have never tried to put a Japanese clone in a Singer cabinet. I have no idea if the hinges will line up. If I remember right, I think someone on here said they would?

    I have a Singer 319w in a Singer treadle cabinet. I have tried the 319 in two different Singer cabinets. The 319w will slide on the hinge dowels perfectly, sit perfectly in the cabinet, and treadle great, - but I can't put the machine away. It won't lower. It is not because of the spool pins either, it is the size of the head. The 319 has a much thicker head than the older 27/127's, 15's, or 66 heads. On one cabinet the drop down middle drawer was in the way of putting the head down and away, in a second cabinet the block that holds up the cabinet openings hit the machine and wouldn't close. The 15 clones may work. I am interested in seeing what you have to say after you try putting that machine in the cabinet - whether it lines up right with the hinges and whether it can be lowered and closed up.

    Nancy
    Hi Nancy. You are right. I put it in the cabinet last night and I think it looks fantastic.
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    It fits in the opening, the hinges line up and it clears the drawer and sides but I think that the feet cast into the bottom of the machine prevent it from going all of the way down into the cabinet opening, thus preventing the top from closing. HOWEVER, if the motor was removed (not needed) and the block of wood that is screwed to the inside of the lid were to be removed, it WILL FIT and close properly.
    As to the poor old 66, the old gal has seen better days and the cabinet is worthy of a nicer machine. The bed has been repainted, decals are mostly gone as is the Singer name. The chrome is bad on the entire machine. Including the faceplate, back plate, and footplate. The slide is missing too. I think she might be a parts machine or a repaint project.
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    I do have a question about the 66 head though. I read that the Singer machines made before 1901 did not have the motor lug cast into it. And all of them from 1903 and on, all have them cast into them. This machine was made in 1910 (serial # G340707) and does not have the motor lug cast into it. Can anyone help answer that?
    Thanks.
    ~G~

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    The future of the simple sewing machine for easy mending and sewing projects. This gal is very innovative.
    All should enjoy this link, but I thought of Cathy first while watching the video that is attached to this link. The machine called the Alto is a simple machine with simple repair.
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