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    I messed with a Spartan 327 - I sort of wonder if the same 'body' was used for the 328
    It does a nice stitch - it's spool pin was broken off - needs to be drilled out or something so I can put in a new one
    Ok so someone changed how pictures go on here??? I can't do it at all now... bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by makitmama View Post
    Hey I scored a 227 tonight. The CL pic was so bad, I thought it was a 185, only tan. Anyone have any experience with these? I hope it cleans up well, but it is boonnne dry. The owners manual has little notes from the original owner on how to thread, etc. Also got some attachments....
    I got one for Christmas. Rusty as heck, the slide plate missing, and bobbin rusted in place, but it cleaned up better than I thought. I borrowed the slide plate off my 237 and sewed a little with it, but haven't had much chance to play with it. Can you scan the manual? I cannot find one anywhere. It seems like a fairly strong machine, with an industrial look to it, to me anyway.
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    If you're into doing e-machines, a 301 is aluminum for sure and isn't a FW, too?

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    A Touch and Sew is aluminum and would be a worthy candidate for any experiment - if it doesn't turn out you could take it to the recycle place. If it turns out it would be like gilding a lily with mud... but it would be practice...
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    so if Melinda wants a copy of my manual, and I have access to a copier that will scan to email, is that the best way to do it? this is a 3x5 book so I could unstaple it and mess around I guess.
    or should I use my ginormous regular scanner, blow up the pages, and then save them as a .pdf?
    any ideas?
    No, I haven't touched the 227 yet. Or the new 12k. And I have two others that need me, also.
    BUT, my DH is being furloughed due to sequestration , and I am taking on extra projects for the hours. When I do, you can bet I will have questions.
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    anybody know what model it is? No markings except White. I can't seem to find one like in from pictures on line.
    It is a very nice machine - my only gripe is the stitch length is small on straight stitch - zig zag is like a normal Japanese from the era stitch width and length. It is missing the disks - anybody have any ideas?
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    Take the top off and make sure that the stitch length knob is actually moving the inside the machine and adjusting there. I had one that had sort of frozen up, but with a little oil, and working the reverse button and such, it got easier.


    Makitmama, if you are a part of the yahoo group for old singers, you can upload the 227 manual there and others can see it as well. I usually search for a free one for the machines I rescue, because the dollars are limited everywhere, and I like to see if there is anything particular or special about them.
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    Hi Everybody, I'm new because of a Minnesota L I couldn't resist making an offer on. Then I found a video on cleaning it up. I can't begin to tell you how much fun that is proving to be. Really! Who would have thought that I could take crappy gummy old metal polish it up and sew with it again.

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    Welcome HelenAnn - we do all kinds of clean up on gummy rusty dirty sewing machines

    Melinda. It appears to move freely and all the way on either side. I don't understand it myself. That is one clean machine. Like I said it does a very nice large zz stitch width and length - I'm just not thinking the ss is as long as a usual Japanese machine's ss should be. Would you happen to know what model and what the disks it would take? Manual? I made a post in case more people read than here.
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    Somewhere between the knob & where it connects to the feed dog mechanism (usually closer to the knob), there is probably an eccentric that controls the stitch length. It will look like a normal screw head & you'll more than likely have to loosen a nut to turn it. Loosen the nut just enough to turn it a little, tighten & check your stitches.

    I just adjusted the stitch length on a Kenmore 158 series machine & that was the set up on it. I first turned the dial to the longest stitch (6 spi on mine)...moved the eccentric a bit at a time & kept checking the length. When I was getting a perfect 6 stitches, I turned the dial to 0 to make sure that the fabric wasn't moving. Actually, I was stitching on paper (without thread)....it was easier to check the holes to count the stitches & make sure it was stitching in the same hole on 0.

    If you can find a blown up picture of any White mechanism of the same era, it'll help you locate it. The eccentric was just called an adjuster on my Kenmore. It was easy to find a parts blow-up for mine though... I just checked Sears Parts Direct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by path49 View Post
    Somewhere between the knob & where it connects to the feed dog mechanism (usually closer to the knob), there is probably an eccentric that controls the stitch length. It will look like a normal screw head & you'll more than likely have to loosen a nut to turn it. Loosen the nut just enough to turn it a little, tighten & check your stitches.

    I just adjusted the stitch length on a Kenmore 158 series machine & that was the set up on it. I first turned the dial to the longest stitch (6 spi on mine)...moved the eccentric a bit at a time & kept checking the length. When I was getting a perfect 6 stitches, I turned the dial to 0 to make sure that the fabric wasn't moving. Actually, I was stitching on paper (without thread)....it was easier to check the holes to count the stitches & make sure it was stitching in the same hole on 0.
    Why would the zz be a perfect length but not the ss?
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    My mother bought that machine in a cabinet somewhere around 1953. It was her pride and joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishrose View Post
    My mother bought that machine in a cabinet somewhere around 1953. It was her pride and joy.
    Mine? I can see why - do you know anything about it??? I think it is a great machine. I love the look. BUT that machine sews very nice too - imagine that!
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    Yes, the White. It sat in front of the picture window when I was a teenager. I often found my mother waiting there for me to come home from school. She was good at sewing, but not at interpreting the directions on patterns and I had a way of picking complicated ones. No, I don't know anything about it.

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    I've looked all over for some idea what model that one is. I can't find it. I wish I had the disks, too - I'm thinking they are multi colored and shaped inside the post is not straight - or it takes a flat disk
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishrose View Post
    Yes, the White. It sat in front of the picture window when I was a teenager. I often found my mother waiting there for me to come home from school. She was good at sewing, but not at interpreting the directions on patterns and I had a way of picking complicated ones. No, I don't know anything about it.
    She was admiring the color anyway. I think this is one of the prettiest machines I own. I love the red buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Why would the zz be a perfect length but not the ss?
    It's kinda hard to measure the length on a zigzag stitch since the 1st stitch is on one side & the next stitch is on the other (so the stitches on 1 side of your zigzag should be twice the length the dial says)....are you sure it's correct? If it IS correct, you're right...that makes no sense whatsoever since the feed dogs control that length too!

    Oh yeah, another thing...At 0 my machine WAS correct before adjusting. It was the other #s that were wrong. But adjusting the eccentric fixed it all. In my case, my straight stitches were too long...4 stitches rather than 6 at the longest length but I could still get a nice zigzag & satin stitch...I just never actually counted the stitches on those! I could also get the straight stitch length I wanted...they just didn't correspond to the #s on the dial. That was driving me crazy....I'm absolutely anal about stuff like that!!!

    I really paid no attention to my zigzag stitch when I did this...& it also works perfect. I'm primarily a garment sewer & really picky about straight stitch length for top stitching etc.

    If you can locate the "adjuster", I'd try it. You can always mark it's position before you move it...& move it back if it doesn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by path49 View Post
    It's kinda hard to measure the length on a zigzag stitch since the 1st stitch is on one side & the next stitch is on the other (so the stitches on 1 side of your zigzag should be twice the length the dial says)....are you sure it's correct? If it IS correct, you're right...that makes no sense whatsoever since the feed dogs control that length too!

    Oh yeah, another thing...At 0 my machine WAS correct before adjusting. It was the other #s that were wrong. But adjusting the eccentric fixed it all. In my case, my straight stitches were too long...4 stitches rather than 6 at the longest length but I could still get a nice zigzag & satin stitch...I just never actually counted the stitches on those! I could also get the straight stitch length I wanted...they just didn't correspond to the #s on the dial. That was driving me crazy....I'm absolutely anal about stuff like that!!!

    I really paid no attention to my zigzag stitch when I did this...& it also works perfect. I'm primarily a garment sewer & really picky about straight stitch length for top stitching etc.

    If you can locate the "adjuster", I'd try it. You can always mark it's position before you move it...& move it back if it doesn't help.
    I wouldn't know where to look for that adjuster. I kinda hate to mess with it. I should shoot a pic and see what you think. I can see there is more travel room in the feed dog area than it is using.
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    On the Kenmore, I looked at the innards (technical term!) as I turned the stitch length dial. There's a part right behind the dial that rocked back & forth as I turned the dial. The eccentic was there...in the side of the part that rocked. It was on the right side with the nut securing it on the left. It looked like a regular screw head but the head stuck out about 3/16". I loosened the nut just enough to turn the eccentric. Turned it a little, tightened the nut & checked it. A LOT of loosening, tightening, checking til I got it right BUT I finally did! If someone actually knew what they were doing, I'm sure it would have been a LOT faster! Ha!Ha!

    I'd send you a picture of it BUT, it's a real job to get to it on those dual belt Kenmores! Had to loosen the internal motor, to take off the hand wheel to remove the side panel....then put the wheel & motor back on to test the stitches.Then remove it all again to put the side back on, etc.
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    Path49, I know what part you mean - it has full range of motion that I can see. Maybe this just doesn't have the usual giant stitches the Japanese machines have. It isn't like the stitch is too tight to use. I guess I'm just a whiner.

    I wonder about the disks. Nothing here fits. I have disks I have not idea what they fit... no disk in the machine when I got it. At least it does zz.

    This has a little door on the top - you push a button and it opens. Wilbur thinks that is just the coolest little door on the planet. I have another machine that you touch the spool pin and it pops up - he giggles when I let him test that.
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    It'll have a full range of motion no matter where the eccentric is set...turning the eccentric just puts the "range of motion" in a slightly different place, changing the length of the stitches. If that makes any sense....

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    Quote Originally Posted by path49 View Post
    It'll have a full range of motion no matter where the eccentric is set...turning the eccentric just puts the "range of motion" in a slightly different place, changing the length of the stitches. If that makes any sense....
    Ok - I'll have to get a day when I can play with it then. I would love to see that machine at full capacity.
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    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...ml#post5902047
    monograms - feel free to post about your own monogram makers... I need to go get groceries.
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    lets see if it comes up on here:
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    Lo and Behold it did come up...
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