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10-24-2012, 06:10 PM
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Dee,
To the best of my knowledge there is no handcrank available for the National made machines unless it comes from an old donor machine. The currently available after market handcranks are fitted to a machine by being positioned on the 'motor boss' that is under the handwheel. The Nationals do not have this style motorboss as a part of their casting.
Cathy
QUOTE=craftiladi;5608241]Nancy I need to live in Rescue , between stray pets & sewing machines finding their way to my house...lol Seriously I am a born & raised Calif gal but currently live in Utah. I am open to any suggestions on my National hand crank situation, maybe Mizkaki will see this message and chime in. I am pretty new at all this repair stuff and yes still somewhat a chicken, afraid I will do more damage then intended...lol
Miriam I wanted to send good wishs for your son.
Have a great day Everyone.
dee[/QUOTE]
To the best of my knowledge there is no handcrank available for the National made machines unless it comes from an old donor machine. The currently available after market handcranks are fitted to a machine by being positioned on the 'motor boss' that is under the handwheel. The Nationals do not have this style motorboss as a part of their casting.
Cathy
QUOTE=craftiladi;5608241]Nancy I need to live in Rescue , between stray pets & sewing machines finding their way to my house...lol Seriously I am a born & raised Calif gal but currently live in Utah. I am open to any suggestions on my National hand crank situation, maybe Mizkaki will see this message and chime in. I am pretty new at all this repair stuff and yes still somewhat a chicken, afraid I will do more damage then intended...lol
Miriam I wanted to send good wishs for your son.
Have a great day Everyone.
dee[/QUOTE]
10-24-2012, 06:22 PM
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Steve,
The 201 also has a horizontal bobbin like the 66. The only difference is that the 201 is a rotary hook and the 66 is a oscillator. Most quilters will tell you that the vertical bobbin/ hook arrangement does better at free motion than the horizontal bobbin/ hook. However, there are those like Laura (Nurseknits) who do like the 201 for freemotion.
Every rule has a exception.
Cathy
The 201 also has a horizontal bobbin like the 66. The only difference is that the 201 is a rotary hook and the 66 is a oscillator. Most quilters will tell you that the vertical bobbin/ hook arrangement does better at free motion than the horizontal bobbin/ hook. However, there are those like Laura (Nurseknits) who do like the 201 for freemotion.
Every rule has a exception.
Cathy
Originally Posted by IamaHam
I am going to answer two posts in this one so first how to free motion on the 66. It is my intention to set this machine up and optimize it for the quilting frame. The feed dogs will be removed and I am considering removing as much of the unneeded linkages as possible. These will be kept so that the machine can be restored with out much trouble. I want to keep the option of returning it to original condition. The bobbin threader will be removed and the motor will be raised the level of the upper arm so that the entire harp will be open and available. In stock condition the motor protrudes an inch or so into the area under the harp limiting the area available.
I do not lubricate with WD 40 I only use it to free up the frozen parts. I follow up by flushing the working parts and bearings with kerosene to get rid of the WD and the goo it would leave if it were allowed to dry. I flush the kerosene with carb cleaner before lubricating everything with sewing machine oil. Each flushing breaks up and washes away more and different types of grime and varnish.
Finally I am learning as I go and I have become aware that the model 66 bobbin configuration is not optimal. I have started looking at 201s and other vintage machines with larger than modern harps.
I do not lubricate with WD 40 I only use it to free up the frozen parts. I follow up by flushing the working parts and bearings with kerosene to get rid of the WD and the goo it would leave if it were allowed to dry. I flush the kerosene with carb cleaner before lubricating everything with sewing machine oil. Each flushing breaks up and washes away more and different types of grime and varnish.
Finally I am learning as I go and I have become aware that the model 66 bobbin configuration is not optimal. I have started looking at 201s and other vintage machines with larger than modern harps.
10-24-2012, 06:39 PM
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I think that may be the one. I guess I did not look that close the black machine has the general shape of the singers but not a singer.
10-24-2012, 06:50 PM
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Which vintage singer models have the vertical bobbin? I believe the 15-90 and 15-91 models have vertical bobbin arangements, are there others. Also does the 15 have the same area under the harp as the 66 and 201?
10-24-2012, 07:32 PM
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Steve,
All of the class 15 machines are vertical bobbins and so are many of the Stylists. So are the 115, 301, 221, 206, 306, and 319. The 31-15 and -20 are also vertical bobbin machines and these have a huge working space to the right of the needle. As the class 31 is an industrial it weighs a ton. I think the class 31 would be a great FM machine especially on a frame.
Cathy
All of the class 15 machines are vertical bobbins and so are many of the Stylists. So are the 115, 301, 221, 206, 306, and 319. The 31-15 and -20 are also vertical bobbin machines and these have a huge working space to the right of the needle. As the class 31 is an industrial it weighs a ton. I think the class 31 would be a great FM machine especially on a frame.
Cathy
Originally Posted by IamaHam
Which vintage singer models have the vertical bobbin? I believe the 15-90 and 15-91 models have vertical bobbin arangements, are there others. Also does the 15 have the same area under the harp as the 66 and 201?
10-24-2012, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wesing
Janice - I also like your name, but I have a funny twist for you. Our dear friend who recently passed away was Sarah Janice. All her friends from up north knew her as Sarah, but her mother and all her friends here called her Janice. Her name is pronounced Ju-NEES.
10-25-2012, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Mizkaki
Steve,
All of the class 15 machines are vertical bobbins and so are many of the Stylists. So are the 115, 301, 221, 206, 306, and 319. The 31-15 and -20 are also vertical bobbin machines and these have a huge working space to the right of the needle. As the class 31 is an industrial it weighs a ton. I think the class 31 would be a great FM machine especially on a frame.
Cathy
All of the class 15 machines are vertical bobbins and so are many of the Stylists. So are the 115, 301, 221, 206, 306, and 319. The 31-15 and -20 are also vertical bobbin machines and these have a huge working space to the right of the needle. As the class 31 is an industrial it weighs a ton. I think the class 31 would be a great FM machine especially on a frame.
Cathy
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10-25-2012, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by grayhare
How about this blog post?
http://dragonpoodle.blogspot.com/201...-quilting.html
http://dragonpoodle.blogspot.com/201...-quilting.html
Nancy
10-25-2012, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by miriam
so where would be a good source???
Nancy
10-25-2012, 09:26 AM
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Going to take you on your word. Billy.
I am new to quilting and vintage machines.
My first was a 1935 Singer 15 90. Had been in a flood and sat in a garage for 15 years after that.
My DH cleaned her up and she runs so well I do not use any machine but that.
The cabinet was not any good at all. so she is sitting quite well in a Black and Decker work bench for now.
At least I can use it and have made a rag flannel quilt for my mom who is 97 !! and still lives alone and does cross word puzzles!! Anyway, now I have her old treadle Singer I sewed on when I was in high school. It has been in a fire
when her house burned down and has been in a garage since 2003.
It cleaned up well but most of the beautiful designs are worn off, but it sure looks like a red eye to me.
Checking sites on computer says it is a model 66 or 66-1. Cast iron part of treadle is fine, cabinet is terrible except for the drawers. It moves well since my husband has cleaned and oiled her. I want to try her so bad.
I have been calling and checking Salvation Army here and in NJ when we were there. No lock for a cabinet.
We are in NC near Raleigh. WIll keep looking and thanks for listening.
I also picked up a featherweight in great shape while we were in NJ to see mom. Love it also. Guess I am hooked.
Hope you do get your own space here.
I am new to quilting and vintage machines.
My first was a 1935 Singer 15 90. Had been in a flood and sat in a garage for 15 years after that.
My DH cleaned her up and she runs so well I do not use any machine but that.
The cabinet was not any good at all. so she is sitting quite well in a Black and Decker work bench for now.
At least I can use it and have made a rag flannel quilt for my mom who is 97 !! and still lives alone and does cross word puzzles!! Anyway, now I have her old treadle Singer I sewed on when I was in high school. It has been in a fire
when her house burned down and has been in a garage since 2003.
It cleaned up well but most of the beautiful designs are worn off, but it sure looks like a red eye to me.
Checking sites on computer says it is a model 66 or 66-1. Cast iron part of treadle is fine, cabinet is terrible except for the drawers. It moves well since my husband has cleaned and oiled her. I want to try her so bad.
I have been calling and checking Salvation Army here and in NJ when we were there. No lock for a cabinet.
We are in NC near Raleigh. WIll keep looking and thanks for listening.
I also picked up a featherweight in great shape while we were in NJ to see mom. Love it also. Guess I am hooked.
Hope you do get your own space here.
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