Cypher

I finally took out my great great grandmothers sewing machine and decided id rebuild it (yes i know....ive rebuildt industrial shapers, a southbend heavy ten lathe and others so nothin new . Now the #12 seems to be the same as the model #9 just just a bit larger (plz correct me if im wrong....this is my 1st sewing machine resto Ive only found a couple sites that have even a bit on this model....looking for a manuel as well as info on what this machine will handle (thread, materials, and needels) and any info on the model and possible places to get needles and parts. I did see someone back in 2013 was rebuilding the exact same model but no idea if hes still here but ive also seen nothing new either.....any help?

OurWorkbench

Welcome Cypher. I always like seeing family machines brought back into service. We like pictures, too.

I have a Junker and Ruh machine which is a 'spin-off' of Wheeler & Wilson machines made in Germany. I don't know if W&W machines take different needles or not. I know my Junker does take different needles. Fortunately, it had a needle in it which I took to a place here in Denver to check and found a comparable needle that works in it. I'm guessing your machine would take a round shank needle.

I'm not completely sure of when or what machines kept the Wheeler & Wilson name for a while after Singer bought them out in 1905. I have perused some of the images that the Smithsonian has of Singer catalogs for Bridgeport factory from 1908 and 1924. I found that the 1908 Singer Catalog still had W&W badge whereas the 1924 had the Singer name for the 12W102. It appears that it was a "tailor's machine" for a variety of fabrics. The first two links are from 1908 and the last is from 1924.

https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollec...es/image25.htm
https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollec...es/image26.htm
https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollec...es/image29.htm

I couldn't find any parts or instructions for the 12W102 but maybe some of the other 12W pdf files found at http://parts.singerco.com/IPpartCharts/ and http://parts.singerco.com/IPinstManuals/ may help.

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.

Cypher

Thanks for the info....The needle in it was a round shank (as opposed to the original that had a flat on it which i dont have heh) and im assuming its something like the schmetz my1014b round shank that ive seend mentioned in other posts from other places (although I suspect that this needle carrier and foot carrier have been modified...would love some info if this is correct....ill get some pix up tomrow). I have an amatures machine shop so I can make ALMOST anything i need (heh....machining is such an art . Thanks again

Cypher

Oke....had a few mins....here are some pix of the needle assmbly etc....if ya need diff views or better angle let me know....thanks in adfvance
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OurWorkbench

Thanks for the picture. Looks like it may be a heavy duty machine (of course, it is an industrial, duh). I just checked http://ismacs.net/needle_and_shank/p...eedle-list.pdf and it says it is a 130x1 which I think MY1014B might be for 127x1, I think. I need to do some more research as I have several needle lists on my computer.

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.

Cypher

thank you....i can modify most anything as Ive an amateur machine shop....but learning bout these things as I go......leather is a callin....thanks

Cypher

pulled the needle and it has been dremeled off to make it shorter so I guess i can work with that.....ill have lots more q's

OurWorkbench

According to one of the spreadsheets I have the 130x1 shank diameter is 1.74, the length to eye is 34 and the length to point is 38.5. I thought one said there was no scarf on the 130x1, whereas on the 128x1 does have a scarf.

The other system IDs for the 130x1 are 12N1 and 727, I think the CAtalogue NUmber is 17:15 but can't find it on Schmetz site. I found a "Steve Alexander" asked about it, but no response.

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.