Wheeler & Wilson No. 9

Old 08-30-2011, 12:20 AM
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Awesome! Love it. Jealous. Lol
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:07 AM
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WOW! Ain't she a beaut. :)
Yep, a beaut! The photos were taken with my crappy cell phone camera. Better pictures later when I clean her up. I'm going to go slowly and carefully, thanks to Billy's tutorial. (Besides, the LaVincendora is still in pieces -- this is all too much, too fast. Ain't life on the internets sweet?)
Hello FirstQuilt,

You might be interested in a couple of videos I have posted on Youtube showing how to clean and oil vintage machines.

I do all my machine cleaning on the kitchen table with very basic equipment. I don't take machines apart, but I will remove small components purely to get at bits that are otherwise difficult to clean. Also, I don't use paraffin (which I believe you call kerosene) because WD40 works just as well, and I've never bathed a machine. You can find the links at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v==bidpJsAzc2A for Part 1 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v==SKR5t4DyPwM for Part 2.

Please let me know how you get on!
Your videos did not come up properly, but I found them and here is the link I used: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bidpJ...eature=related

I'm watching them now!

Thanks for posting this link! I really needed the information about the bobbin oil hole with the felt in it, for as I was cleaning my 3/4 Singer LaVincendora, I removed the old felt from the hole by error. It's good to see that you can refill the hole so easily, and no harm done!
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:36 AM
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Aaagh! Sorry! I put in two = signs in each link instead of one!
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:13 AM
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On Sep 10 16:32:45


AlwaysJustBeth wrote:
Hi! My name is Beth and I'm new here. I'm not sure if this is where I write my post or not. LOL!!!
I found this Board the other day while looking for something else and noticed the Vintage Machine section. I've been reading ever since.
About 12 years ago I found my Singer treadle at a garage sale for $25.00. We put the belt on and it worked but I've never done anything with it.
I cannot find out what kind it is. The serial number is 3149690 which makes year of issue 1879 but there is a panel next to the needle bar that says "Patented USA Aug 2nd 92".
I meant to take pix earlier when it was light out but forgot.
Shopped today for the cleaning items and a leather shoelace to replace the belt I broke last night (It was really brittle.)
Thanks for the GREAT board!
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Beth, I also have a Singer Treadle that says "Patented Aug 2nd 92." That is 1892. Mine has the serial number 3171412, which would make my machine 1879 by Singer lists. This machine is actually a Singer 9W, which is a Wheeler & Wilson machine. Singer took over Wheeler and Wilson around 1905 and until about 1910 they used Wheeler and Wilson parts -- until the Wheeler and Wilson parts were used up, to make the machines. That is why the serial numbers are so confusing -- those are Wheeler and Wilson serial numbers not Singer.

I bet if you post a picture of your machine you will find that it is a Singer 9W like mine!

Oh and the belts are very easy to come by from most sewing machine shops or order from Billy, who heads this forum.

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On Sep26,10 16:40:18 Lostn51 posted

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Beth, I also have a Singer Treadle that says "Patented Aug 2nd 92." That is 1892. Mine has the serial number 3171412, which would make my machine 1879 by Singer lists. This machine is actually a Singer 9W, which is a Wheeler & Wilson machine. Singer took over Wheeler and Wilson around 1905 and until about 1910 they used Wheeler and Wilson parts -- until the Wheeler and Wilson parts were used up, to make the machines. That is why the serial numbers are so confusing -- those are Wheeler and Wilson serial numbers not Singer.

I bet if you post a picture of your machine you will find that it is a Singer 9W like mine!

Oh and the belts are very easy to come by from most sewing machine shops or order from Billy, who heads this forum.

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Nancy you might be on to something there. I thought about it being a 9W after I hit submit.

We need to do a survey of the W9's that we know about and we can date them from a known machine. I know for a fact that mine is a 1910 (I forgot the month now) but if we can get enough numbers together and I can find the production numbers for the W9 then we might can build us a good reliable data base to work from.

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On Sep 26, 10 18:50:08 BoJangles posted:

AlwaysJustBeth wrote:
Thanks Nancy and Billy. I tried random manuals online to see if I might find one that fit my machine. Didn't try too many tho. I was looking for a threading map. This machine doesn't have a bobbin case. The bobbin sits on a little post that folds onto the bobbin to hold it in place. Also wondering about needles. The one in it is broken and bent. I've not taken it out yet. Beth


Ok Beth, now I am convinced your machine is actually a Singer 9W. The bobbin on the 9W just pops in and you have to fold the post in. I actually have a bunch of bobbins for my machine, but Billy could tell you if you need special bobbins or just ordinary ones. He probably has the bobbins if they are something special. Mine look pretty ordinary.

As far as the needle, those machines take a special vintage needle that is like pulling teeth to find. I managed to find some on e-bay. You will need a 127X1 or Boye # 18 to use on that machine. Unfortunately, the 9W do not take a normal/modern needle. Billy and I think Charlee are working on finding a low cost modern needle that will work on the 9W machines.

I love my Singer 9W -- It threadles very nice, but also try to remember the wheel on the 9W machines turns the opposite of most other machines. You roll the wheel away from you to sew, not toward you like most treadles!

Please post a picture!

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Sep 26, 10 19:02:45 BoJangles posted:

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Very fun idea Billy, we already have your Serial number. If you know yours is a 1910, now you have Beth's Serial #3149690, my Serial # 3171412! I know Miz Johnny has some 9W's too! We have a good start!

Nancy



Billy if you know your machine is a 1910, are Beth and my machine's newer or older than yours?

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On September 26,10 19:05:52 Lostn51 posted:

Yeah you definitely have the W9, you need to take a photo of the bobbin it takes. They had 2 different bobbins depending on the machine that was used. The Wheeler & Wilson badged machines used one then the Singer cast ones used another. Both of them take the "Bagel" type of bobbin.

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On Sep 26, 10 19:10:59 Lostn51 posted:

BoJangles wrote:
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Very fun idea Billy, we already have your Serial number. If you know yours is a 1910, now you have Beth's Serial #3149690, my Serial # 3171412! I know Miz Johnny has some 9W's too! We have a good start!

Nancy



Billy if you know your machine is a 1910, are Beth and my machine's newer or older than yours?

Nancy


I will have to go out there and look at mine, its in the Studio. The ones that were made out of left over W&W stock all have W in front of the number. If it is just a number then you have a Singer cast machine. But this was a short lived machine for the fact of that none of the parts interchanged with anything else Singer had. If you notice a lot of the parts that fit a 1906 Singer will fit a 1956 Singer and later. The engineers made sure of the interchangeability of the parts between different models that they made.

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On Sep 26, 10 19:23:18 Miz Johnny posted:

Lostn51 wrote:
Yeah you definitely have the W9, you need to take a photo of the bobbin it takes. They had 2 different bobbins depending on the machine that was used. The Wheeler & Wilson badged machines used one then the Singer cast ones used another. Both of them take the "Bagel" type of bobbin.

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The two I have take FW bobbins.

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