About 2 weeks ago I answered an ad on Craigslist for a Nolting Hobby Quilter with Hinterberg stretch frame. It's a 16" arm so I'm not sure it's considered long or short - Anyway, it's big enough for me. The frame is 9' but can stretch to 10' if I get the poles. The person selling it lives about a 4 hour drive from me. We emailed and talked. Wonderful person. Agreed on a price and included delivery and set up :-D :-D A four hour drive for her each way. They are bringing it tomorrow, setting it up and she is going to show me things she knows. She said she plans to be here most of the day. Again a wonderful person and I'm hoping I got a great deal. Hope I can sleep tonight in anticipation.