Well, to throw a monkey wrench in this thread ... I just saw on Facebook (Quilting page) that there is a new FriXion felt tip pen out and the writer said she loved them so much that she was going to throw away all her FriXion ball points and use the felt tips exclusively! However, I was looking for them online, and they are very hard to find, probably because it is a new product. Just wondering if anyone has these!