Another disappointment
#11
HelenAnn - only because I've looked at so, so many of these. So I know that particular design is not an early machine - the fatter head, tension on the face (not leaf) are a few things. Mostly it's because I've spent a ton of time on Needlebar paying attention to differences so I'd know what I was looking for. One of the hard parts with this - National used most of the same names that Eldredge had used prior to the merge, especially the name Eldredge.
The short story - going from memory here - Eldredge came up with an idea, found a company to make his machines - then moved west and joined up with June to make the machines (June made their own too) and after the guy owning June died, Eldredge merged the two companies and formed National.
The short story - going from memory here - Eldredge came up with an idea, found a company to make his machines - then moved west and joined up with June to make the machines (June made their own too) and after the guy owning June died, Eldredge merged the two companies and formed National.
#12
This is another much less common National machine I'm looking for. It's the early rotary, notice how the throat plate has sloping sides. Later ones have squared sides, and that is way, way more common to find.
http://needlebar.org/cm/displayimage..._display_media
http://needlebar.org/cm/displayimage..._display_media
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Cathy,
Thanks! I get so much enjoyment looking through rubbish trying to figure out what the stuff is or what it went to. "Needle paraphernalia" doesn't sound so good, though Should probably call it something else.
Jon
Thanks! I get so much enjoyment looking through rubbish trying to figure out what the stuff is or what it went to. "Needle paraphernalia" doesn't sound so good, though Should probably call it something else.
Jon
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Jon,
Darn it about the Boye case, I was hoping it was the older one where they had White and Singer numbers switched (along with several others) I wasn't thinking about that the very last White VS machine took the Singer style shuttle/needle. On a good note, she did say it had a lot of tubs in it, so all is not lost. I should have asked her what number was listed for Singer - the pre 1907 cases have it listed as 11/12 and the post 1906 ones have it 15/16
I have several tubes from an old case, and they have the "other" ones in them. Something to be aware of if buying old Boye stock - the really old stuff is numbered differently. At least it's real easy to tell a White shuttle from a Singer shuttle.
Darn it about the Boye case, I was hoping it was the older one where they had White and Singer numbers switched (along with several others) I wasn't thinking about that the very last White VS machine took the Singer style shuttle/needle. On a good note, she did say it had a lot of tubs in it, so all is not lost. I should have asked her what number was listed for Singer - the pre 1907 cases have it listed as 11/12 and the post 1906 ones have it 15/16
I have several tubes from an old case, and they have the "other" ones in them. Something to be aware of if buying old Boye stock - the really old stuff is numbered differently. At least it's real easy to tell a White shuttle from a Singer shuttle.
Cathy,
Pic of "Old Style" Boye case. Most is readable. The Davis shuttle and the New Home shuttle are reversed on the old system. I would estimate about 10% of the Boye cases I look at are the older numbering system.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-Boye-Se...item234ce9b980
Jon
#15
I have a wooden Boye needle tube marked on the end in red 16 then under it 40-100. The ink on the tube is missing in places but it says buy a new shuttle if machine skips stitches. It is in good condition - the printing problem is original from the factory not where someone tried to clean it. Free to whomever would like to have it.
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Good chance the Boye #16 holds common Singer 15x1 or universal needles if contents are original. Oftentimes the tubes were used for storage for whatever needles were onhand by the owner. The Boye system is a unique and classy way to sell needles and the wood tubes are good protection against rust.
Jon
Jon
#17
I bought a display case that had about 60% of the tubes still with contents - the fun part - someone had opened them to look and most of the caps are on the wrong cases. Some day I'll be going through them all and getting them all sorted out.
BTW - Jon, sent a 17lb package your way.
BTW - Jon, sent a 17lb package your way.
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Thanks Cathy. Not an easy task sorting through the Boye cabinets. I just went through a bunch of shuttles that were all mixed up. Needles would be worse with about half dozen different 20x1's.
Jon
Jon
I bought a display case that had about 60% of the tubes still with contents - the fun part - someone had opened them to look and most of the caps are on the wrong cases. Some day I'll be going through them all and getting them all sorted out.
BTW - Jon, sent a 17lb package your way.
BTW - Jon, sent a 17lb package your way.
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