just picked up a Kenmore m158.15000
02-01-2014, 05:37 PM
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Great White,
Horizontal or Vertical bobbin axis has nothing to do with whether or not you can use a double needle. Both your 328 and 319 have front load bobbins not side load.
We need to only consider whether or not the hook can pick up the thread from the back side of both needles. In a side load such as this Kenmore that we are discussing. The hook is passing to the right of the needle (the scarf side).
If you put a second needle in to the right of the first one it will hit the hook and if it is placed to the left of the first needle the hook will not pick up the thread loop.
Clearer than mud?
Cathy
Horizontal or Vertical bobbin axis has nothing to do with whether or not you can use a double needle. Both your 328 and 319 have front load bobbins not side load.
We need to only consider whether or not the hook can pick up the thread from the back side of both needles. In a side load such as this Kenmore that we are discussing. The hook is passing to the right of the needle (the scarf side).
If you put a second needle in to the right of the first one it will hit the hook and if it is placed to the left of the first needle the hook will not pick up the thread loop.
Clearer than mud?
Cathy
Originally Posted by great white
So, just trying to understand this.
My singer 319w has a vertical rotary bobbin underneath and my 328k has a horizontal drop in bobbin.
Yet both do double needles.
I do get the hook has to pass behind both needles, but I don't understand how the vertical vs horizontal thing matters.
Seems to me what matters is how the OEM designed it to work....
My singer 319w has a vertical rotary bobbin underneath and my 328k has a horizontal drop in bobbin.
Yet both do double needles.
I do get the hook has to pass behind both needles, but I don't understand how the vertical vs horizontal thing matters.
Seems to me what matters is how the OEM designed it to work....
Last edited by Mizkaki; 02-01-2014 at 05:43 PM.
02-01-2014, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizkaki
Great White,
Horizontal or Vertical bobbin axis has nothing to do with whether or not you can use a double needle. Both your 328 and 319 have front load bobbins not side load.
We need to only consider whether or not the hook can pick up the thread from the back side of both needles. In a side load such as this Kenmore that we are discussing. The hook is passing to the right of the needle (the scarf side).
If you put a second needle in to the right of the first one it will hit the hook and if it is placed to the left of the first needle the hook will not pick up the thread loop.
Clearer than mud?
Cathy
Horizontal or Vertical bobbin axis has nothing to do with whether or not you can use a double needle. Both your 328 and 319 have front load bobbins not side load.
We need to only consider whether or not the hook can pick up the thread from the back side of both needles. In a side load such as this Kenmore that we are discussing. The hook is passing to the right of the needle (the scarf side).
If you put a second needle in to the right of the first one it will hit the hook and if it is placed to the left of the first needle the hook will not pick up the thread loop.
Clearer than mud?
Cathy
I guess I just need more time and experience to understand fully.
05-08-2014, 07:04 AM
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Finally got the Kenmore home.
Bound up and running like crap.
Pulled the bobbin assembly apart and cleared out some thread and fuzz. Everything else was light fuzz thought the machine.
Plugged 'er in and it spins over a million miles a minute.
Next to the presser foot. Yup, locked up solid.
Little investigating reveals the raw steel part sticking out by the lever has rusted and gone tight int he aluminum case.
Soak it with releasall and tap the presser bar inside the head area. Eventually works free and now works just fine.
Then I soak the rest of the internals in releasall and I'll let it sit overnight.
The rest is just dirty and will clean up fine.
Came with the 7 cams and the little Kenmore box of accessories.
Nice little machine for 20 Bucks.
Bound up and running like crap.
Pulled the bobbin assembly apart and cleared out some thread and fuzz. Everything else was light fuzz thought the machine.
Plugged 'er in and it spins over a million miles a minute.
Next to the presser foot. Yup, locked up solid.
Little investigating reveals the raw steel part sticking out by the lever has rusted and gone tight int he aluminum case.
Soak it with releasall and tap the presser bar inside the head area. Eventually works free and now works just fine.
Then I soak the rest of the internals in releasall and I'll let it sit overnight.
The rest is just dirty and will clean up fine.
Came with the 7 cams and the little Kenmore box of accessories.
Nice little machine for 20 Bucks.
05-08-2014, 07:29 AM
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Forgot to add: the Kenmore is scary fast. I mean SCARY fast.
That 1.2 amp motor on it gets 'er spinning something fierce.
You'd almost think it would punch through plywood.
An electronic foot control should make it work very nicely and make it a bit more progressive at the bottom of the speed range.
That 1.2 amp motor on it gets 'er spinning something fierce.
You'd almost think it would punch through plywood.
An electronic foot control should make it work very nicely and make it a bit more progressive at the bottom of the speed range.
05-08-2014, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by J Miller
Hmmm, my 158-15000 isn't that fast. I wonder what the difference is?
Glad you got yours all freed up and running good. Tri-Flow oil is your friend to keep these machines happy.
Joe
Glad you got yours all freed up and running good. Tri-Flow oil is your friend to keep these machines happy.
Joe
I assume yours is cleaned and lubricated so that's probably not it.
So maybe:
Previous usuage?
Motor age?
Belt condition?
Production variances?
Could be nearly anything.
All I know if that it is faster than the 328, probably faster than the 319W too.
The needle is damned near invisible at full speed and even though it is the heaviest of the three machines it will slowly "walk" across the table if you hold it on full speed.
It's like a medival call to arms, but still dead smooth.
It's quite a little beast. At least, as far as my 4 machine "fleet" goes.
I sort of half planned for it to be my "leather" machine but it's turning out to be quite a nice machine overall.
At least as good as the 319W it seems on first look....
Last edited by great white; 05-08-2014 at 10:40 AM.
05-08-2014, 11:02 AM
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Any idea where I might find a bobbin winder tire for the Kenmore?
The tire on there is in good shape except that someone ran the motor against it while it was seized and burned a flat spot on it.
Luckily, I was able to flip it and it will work since the spot was only 7/8 the width of the tire but it's only a matter of time before that last thin strip burned or or wears away.....
The tire on there is in good shape except that someone ran the motor against it while it was seized and burned a flat spot on it.
Luckily, I was able to flip it and it will work since the spot was only 7/8 the width of the tire but it's only a matter of time before that last thin strip burned or or wears away.....
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