I think I saw it on EBay or Amazon com. Don't even remember what I was looking for. I think somebody on quilting site was asking about different machines and I looked it up and I think that was the one. I maybe wrong, it's been a long time since I read it. But you know everybody doesn't always like the same machines. I had hoped Kenmore made a quilting machine but they didn't have one with deep enough throat. I wouldn't trade my 2 for anything. My granddaughter is going to get my first one when she gets old enough. Got to start that girl (my only one) off right. She's 4 1/2 and already knows how to stir up biscuits and pancakes. When she was littler she sat in my lap and we sewed. Deb