Well, fellow quilters, I think I have decided to go with the HQ 16 that my LQS has for sale. They are right here in my city...will have free set-up and free lessons. I know the lady well...won't be a stranger....and she and her husband have been to Utah for training on repairs, etc of the HQ brand macines. I got measurements today and took them out to my quilting room and I have "just enough" room lengthwise for the new 12 ft frame they are willing to exchange for the smaller one that comes with the used HQ 16. They now have an Avante 18 sitting on that frame. So much sturdier and has all the extras on the frame. I don't know the brand....forgot to ask. But, I thought if I ever upgrade on the quilting machine, having that frame already would be a PLUS. I doubt I ever will....but....you never know. I played on it again today....I WILL definitely need some lessons, but I can do it. Now......reassure me.... about this kind of purchase. $5,000 is a lot of money for me. LOL