thanx so much for your fast replies !!just came fromdr's so haven't had a chance to try your suggestions but am going to do this todayfor sure !i think the bobbin may be goofing up. the machine has an auto cutter, but noticed when warning comes up that the bobbin thread hasn't cut. too dumb to realize that might be the problem!! will let you all know what happens. thnx SO much again,,,dar