I bought a set of punch needles at the Paducah quilt show two years ago. The next year I took them right back to the vendor and said show me exactly how to use these, not a one minute demo as I can't get them to do anything but punch a hole in my fabric. There were too many customers around for her not to have a lesson for me. I stayed there until I was sure I had the proper technique. They all want to sell but few seem to care if you actually learn how to do it. And the good punch needles and frame are not cheap.