I have several wooden hoop frames, the PVC pieces that make several different sized frames, an oval floor frame, an old card table with the top ripped off and the upper frame wrapped with fabric to pin to,an old fashioned frame made of 1X2's and held together with C clamps, and I don't use any of them. I pin or use the new spray glue to hold the quilt layers together and then quilt them in my lap with no frame at all. That seems to work best for me.