Well another night, I am still perfecting this little pot holder. It could be compared to a little Pac man from years ago. It is not flat but curved, just like the shoulder pad gripped in the middle. The ones that I am working with are not rubber but soft and flexible. If my camera worked I could take a photo, hopefully by the time the weekend is over I will get this thing worked out and have a photo. A simple timewaster but it is bugging me why I can't just do it. Sometimes the simplest of things take a little time. Thanks for your interest. Cher