I have a gammill quilting machine on a 14' frame. My brother bought it used for me from Stitch-n-frame from Vicksburg MS. I live about 125 miles from Vicksburg. They came and set it up for me. I've owned "Flo" now for almost 3 years. I love her and we have loads of fun together. She cost $1250.00 delivered and set up. I do not like the pantograms. I stipple. This is a heavy metal non computer machine, just what I wanted.