i would not tear out other people's work on this a couple of the suggestions above seem do-able...they are always learning experiences...i am involved in my 9th round robin right now and i gotta tell you this time around...boy it seems like almost every new arrival has been a whole new pile of stress...i don't know why this time has been different buy i have had to go to the experts (lqs owners) for help on just about everyone this time...i will be glad when it's over (2 rounds to go) some of us just started a new one too...first rounds are done...so far...this one is going much better