Thanks Elle, I haven't tried the seam 2 seam, I don't know why but my machine just throws a big ole hissy fit! I have several ufo's that I would like to get back to but I might have to use a different machine to get them done. So far this is the only problem I have had with my Viking, everything else about it is great. I have a Brother that is for backup, it is like the least expensive one that they make but it does have the button hole stitch on it so I have that option if all else fails, thanks for your input!!!! :lol: