Well now gcathie, you sure are asking the wrong one. I have giant size "L" plates up on that so no use asking me. There are a lot of books out there and when I get to the stage it will read up on different designs. So far all I have attempted were free motion leaves, (they did look quite good :wink: ) however I had to make a drawing with chalk first to give me a clue as to where to go. Good luck. Elle