How this all started for me is I purchased the Pro Grace Frame to use with my Janome regular machine (~$300-so not fancy). By the time I get to the end of a crib size quilt, my pantograph drawing needs to be reduced to ~2 inches. That is why I'm looking for a larger throat machine. I bought the frame online at Kathy's Quilts and they recommend the Juki Q98. At my local quilt shop they heard one woman hated the Juki , sold it quickly and said I won't be happy unless I get an HQ16. I'm not interested in spending that kind of money. The new Janome mentioned aboce 11000 I believe is near $7000. From the comments here, People are happy with their Juki Q98 so maybe I would be as well.