Have an Amish greenhouse nearby that starts plants. They have a lot of the open pollinated varieties, otherwise known as the heirloom plants. Gave up on the hybrid plants several years ago because of the flavor(less) issue. Love the German pinks, Ox Heart (a meaty roma type) and one that the Amish call Hillbilly. Have some blossom end rot going on right now, too much heat and watering problems binding up calcium. Will probably give them each a Tums in a couple of gallons of water in the morning and see if they won't turn around - not an easy project since we have 8 dozen of them in this year.