OK, I won't quote you. I've read most, if not all of these sites and I get lost in the legal aspect of it all. I personally have never violated the copyright of any quilt I've made that I'm aware of. I only make for family and freinds and charity. I've never shown a quilt or sold one. I just want to be informed "just in case". Any pattern I have is just used as a "reference" or "inspiration". I've never followed a pattern completely and probably never will. Anyway, I will go back and re-read those sites and hopefully get a better, more clear understanding. I think they try to confuse us on purpose.