Check with kenssewingcenter.com. They are a major Janome dealer at shows and often offer great deals on machines they didn't sell at shows or machines used in classes with very little time on them. Also have to agree about the throat space if you are planning to leave this on the frame all the time. Might check the Baileys Home quilter which is a 13 or 15 inch throat space. There are groups on Yahoo just for them or you can search here. Also think the HQ machines are wonderful deals. Just do your research beforehand so you are satisfied with your decision.