I have had my van for ten years and also discovered that we had a cup holder under where the ashtray would be. I have my controls there, for my van is handicapp accessiable, My husband found it taking out the the panel to see why my heater had only one setting. He then asked me if I wanted to take out the consel he had brought me. I said , "No". My seats are removable for a wheelchair if and when I need it. Love the storage space to keep my JoAnn Fabric ads in it. I have a tendency to forget them if I don't put them in the van. LOL