QBee~Gail, Wow! Thank you for sharing those quilts with me ..........yes, yes, they were very helpful, i think i get it now....i mean i have a lot better idea. i'm just wondering how in the world you do the irish chain? i mean the pieces are so tiny! that has always been my favorite i think, besides the cathedral quilt. oh, i have dozens of quilting books, not mags, but , books! so you see i really do want to quilt, i'm just such a big chicken to start. yes, i said the same thing, how can you be afraid to quilt after making all of the things that i have made! kathy