Anna that is EXACTLY my point!We shouldn't have to look at a pattern and redesign the thing in order to make it work. Ramona is correct in that we should be complaining to the companies that design these patterns to make them more user-friendly - especially since we are plunking down hard earned money for them! I am almost wondering if it worth setting up a virtual section so that people who have converted some of these patterns into more useable forms can post them - but THAT probably violates 5000 copyright rules!(Told you I was ranting....)