Thanks for the info. I did see a pattern at JoAnn's but it was $10...too much for me. I kind of think I could just make a tube sock but unsure if that will work well for the kids. Has any one made them? Do you need the shaping? I have an old fleece book from Hancock's but no socks and Hancock's closed up here in the middle of the mitten. Will have to keep looking. Thanks for your input.