I got a Viking Sapphire 830, great deal, awhile back, then, almost a year ago, I was about to get a Grace Mini Pinn frame, & they seem to be playing very well together, so am very happy with my setup. We have a small house, so we set my frame up in crib size. I don't make too many bed quilts, so this size is great for me, & if I want to do bigger, I can do it in sections, then just sew them together. Works so much better than just fighting with a big quilt on a machine alone! In case you are wondering, I got my machine for a thousand & the frame for five, so I think found two great deals too. You don't have to spend a fortune these days, in order to machine quilt on a frame setup like this, & it's so much fun, not to mention, a whole lot faster too!...