thanks craftybear, seems you are always a step ahead of me. I need to learn to make a pair of pants.Since my stoke my left is much bigger than the right so nothing fits right. Also they got the heart potholders today and called right away. They went over really good. It was funny though had to tell her to untie the ribbon that held the two together before she realized her other present was in the middle. (check). She is the type that never had much given to her so she gets so excited when she does get something. She lost her job a month ago and depressed so she was happy someone thought of them. Merry Xmas Ravonda