Also check with the dealers of new longarms. Occasionally they get trade-in's. Join the various longarm groups on yahoo and state that you're looking for a used machine. One thing though, be aware that the good longarms hold their price pretty well. A used one should cost less than a new one, but it may not be a dramatic difference, and you will be getting older technology, probably without a warranty, and possibly with problems. I started out looking for a good used Gammill, and wound up buying an excellent new Innova for about the same money.