totally against them too! had one.....22 years ago but it was terrible. In later years another doctor told me that from what i described they went further in than they should have and basically I had a spinal.....and was not kept laying down. I suffered for weeks afterwards with almost unbearable neck and back pain and a new baby. I had 4 more completely natural and they were a piece of cake. Complications with #6 required emergency c section and being knocked out.