I'm sorry, one other thing. Maybe I will get my act together and do one posting. The hoop that you use is important. It must not bend because the quilt will slip in it. My hoop is very rigid, will not bend. I purchased it from my LQS who in turn bought it from F A Edmunds. I have a plastic rectangular hoop and it is OK but I prefer a round wooden one. This rectangular one is good if I am working in straight lines. But if you are going to constantly be turning, a round one is better. I have yet to see a satisfactory hoop at Joanns or Hobby Lobby.