I agree Loretta, however to give credit to the dealers when they deserve it....most of them take for granted that we know how to do all this stuff :? Now...when I walked in the dealers door..I told her that I knew NOTHING..that I didn't know how to sew and she had seen what I was sewing on previously, so she knew that I was a moron ...from the dark ages :lol: :lol: She did help me...A LOT!