In reading Diane Snead's post above, I was reminded of the time my older daughter presented me with a list of costs of various things she had done (dusting her room, washing her clothes, ironing her blouses, making her bed, etc.). I took it without comment, but later I presented her with my list... for breakfast, lunch, dinner, room rent, utilities usage, clothing and shoes, music lessons, use of the car... I really padded it good. Of course, it mounted up to a couple of thousand dollars - I didn't leave anything out - where her list was about $50. I left it in her room without comment, and I never heard another word about what we owed her. <G> To her credit, she later apologized for her arrogance.