Yes, thank you retrogirl. Watched the youtube link and is very clear. See, before today I didn't even know that such a knot existed. And I will definately check out a different thimble Moonpi. The one I have is metal and it feels like my finger is ready to go out to battle. Although selection is limited in my area, I am planning to go to States for my son's soccer tourney this weekend. I could check out some stores there. (I am sure he wouldn't mind. :?: :wink: