thanks for all the suggestios, i went to 112 sewing, got a brochure, and put it under his dinner plate, and out right he said, that;s interesting, don't you have a serger and two others. i said yeah, but this one i can download designs, and you know how much your nephews love the embroidered things i make them, and then he switched the subject. we are going on a cruise in Novermber, but that's not my birthday waaaa waaaa. i'll try again after the quilt show , (april 2)