thank you sandpat for mentioning the 2 tut's. i knew i had to stop and search the site and read some more. but i was 'hooked', and was having soooo much fun. but knew after that RS6 didn't come out as good as i wanted it, that i had to re watch a tute. i was busy today, so just did easy ones tonite. but , i do intend to find the lst few weeks , where all the discussion was, and about each block, before i go on. curves, and y seams, i need to learn. thx, so much