thanks for all the imput..I haven't made any decision yet as to even go and look at it because I do not know what I want or need, just know I want. I am thinking I will just have to find someplace around here to go and really check frames and quilters out. we have a joanns & country stitches in jacskon mi that is close but I am sure there has to be more. I really need to go and check them out before I make the wrong decision. I did buy a singer confidence quilter last may and sure I could practice and maybe use it to do some quilting. and a special thanks to everyones responses.