I bought both of my machines on ebay. The Viking only had 39 hours on it. It had been used to demonstrate a program by some fellow, and the company gave him the machine. He then gave it to his sister, who did not sew. I got it for $900. It has been a dream. My brother innovis I also bought on ebay. It is self threading and came with all sorts of extras. That one I paid $2000. for but then it is a more expensive machine than I could ever afford.