Didn't you mean that the $12,500 was for the 830 and the quilt frame also? My offer was $12,000 for the 830 and $1999 for the quilt frame. I was told the quilt frame would normally run $2199. I guess the machine was at regular price. My 730 software will work with the 830, but I would have to turn in the USB. I have until March 24th to decide about the upgrade and still get full retail for my 730. I've been doing a lot more embroidery lately than quilting, and the large frame would be nice. My dealer said the largest hoop was not included and costs $400. But she said if I got the 830 and frame, she'd throw that hoop in for free. Would you happen to know if you have quilting designs in your sewing machine, and it was on the quilt frame, would it automatically stitch the quilt design with out me having to move it?