Ok I have had Pepperchini since 06/06/06 (she is a Voyager 17 with a Hinty stretch frame, she is pimped out with custom handles and bowers lifts,,, and some really cool washers,,) I never put the zippers or the velcro on,, I bought them both lol I always pinned... well I finally broke down and put the zippers on last month.. I personally wish I would have done the velcro,. but I am stalking the red snappers...