I also am an old 4-Her. It's funny but my husband asked me the other day if I knew what the 4 H's stood for, with out even thinking I was able to tell him. I also prewash. So some things just stay with you no matter how long ago it was learned. I love the fact that we use our old ways and still put the new ways to work. Like alot of people have said, you need to do what works for you. I remember a long time ago after I got married, my mother was over at my apartment. As I was cleaning the sink, she said "That's not the way to do that". All I said was that it may not be the way she did it, but it was the way I did it and the results were what I wanted, A Clean Sink. Brenda