robbie you might want to look like a couple of others said because i to jumped on the gracie frame an also got the nolting machine as a package deal for a little over $5,000 an i do wish i had waited just a little bit longer or kick my self in the a-- for not getting the machine that was offered to me for$2,000 an been able to work at the job i was at an pay for it at the time an when the oppertunity came aruond for a up grade i would have went for an even better machine look on internet they have some on there at times at a real deal to