yes i understand my husband thinks everything has to be done with metal so i don't even say anything anymore as none of the things i want will not work in wood apparently and he hasn't done a single thing for his better ideas. we agree to disagree. his way may of worked for a military ship but i don't need any of that in a home enviroment. also still trying to get him out of living the 60's before he went in the military and can't get him to leave the camis so we now have it he can wear them at home but i just go back in the house till he changes to go somewhere together. when he was overseas the last time before retirement i got rid of the big bell bottoms thank goodness.please how do you get a guy out of a time warp???by the way he didn't believe me he looked like a homeless person with the camis till security was called when we were visiting a friend in her mobilehome park. it was a good thing we knew the guy.lol