I don't know if I should have started a new topic but it is so related to this I thought I would stay put. I'm using the yellow flower pins for pinning to the leaders, does anyone have a better pin they use. The ones I have don't go through the quilt fabric and then the canvas leaders without a lot of effort on my part. I think that is part of the reason I keep sticking myself other than not getting my fingers out of the way. I guess I can't push hard and get out of the way at the same time! I finally found some very sharp pins for other uses but they would never work on this task, the heads are too small. I would love to find a very sharp pin with a nice size head. I bought some quilting pins made by Clover and they weren't much better than what I had just more expensive.