It is too bad that there isn't some type of certification process or something comparable for those that would have the 'knowing' of that 'long-arm' quilter. What so many do seem to forget is those that appreciate the art and always strive to do better and strive to perfect their skills.....that you on the flip of the coin...have ,what I call,' the back yard machine quilter'. The person that has sewn for many years and says they can do it and then does by simply buying a frame, parking their sewing machine and viola...becomes the machine 'long-arm' quilter. Yes, we applaude those that are serious and are passionate of keeping their 'long-arm' quilting or machine quilting professional and serious. But, how many of you out there have earned their stripes (classes, classes, study, etc)are finding around the block from them the gal that is charging the same prices as you ..though w/o the exprience, classes, education, etc. You can say you get what you pay for...but, how many of us don't really know. Yes, there are the obv. ones...and, then there are the others that might appear to look great...but, wait till after the 2nd washing...then what?! No one here is trying to minimize the serious long arm quilter..but, around here I can say there are many that are charging the same...w/o the schooling, classes, etc. All I can say since I am not a professional...they look okay:0) In fact, I'd call myself 'ignorant' on it....yes word of the mouth would be our only advantage...if the word was right after the 2 washings!! I think you that are doing it right and wanting to do it right have missed the point here. I do think this has been a good topic for those that do and have taken the time for classes and know it is ongoing learning...your opinions have educated all of us. And, I know I can not be the only one thinking this:0)IF so....stuff a bobbin in my ear!:)Skeat