THank you all, so much. A good example is that I got up at 8 this morning, and have been sitting in front of the computer since, except for a few minutes to take a shower. Ate a bite for lunch while reading & looking up more patterns. It's now noon. I'd better sign off & go get ready for work as I start at 2. I just read the tutorial on how to make the "cool tie" & will try to make some.