ok angie and bearisgray, thanks, but anyhow i've decided to leave it as is. i'm involved in getting my kitchen ready to be painted. the gettin ready is worse than the painting. i've taken everything off the walls, pulled out nails and filled nail holes and a friend is coming over early friday morning to paint it. be so glad when this is all done. then we're gonna paint the bathroom, hallway and living room. whew, i'm too old for this stuff.